Bernie Sanders Opposes Open Borders!

Weaver’s laws: 1. To advance conservative goals, often one must oppose conventional conservative positions.

2. Conservatives share some common interest with the libertarian-right but also with the socialist-left. And we oppose one another in other areas.

3. Mass immigration is unaffordable if employers are forced to pay workers well.

4. Americans, especially nonwhite Americans, will only tolerate a great wealth gap if their voting rights are rescinded.

5. A wealth imbalance serves big government interests by creating demand for big government “solutions”.

6. It is better to correct the wealth imbalance sooner rather than later. More damage (immigration) will be done if waiting later.

7. Between guns and butter, butter is better. And the police state is less likely without perpetual war.

In a recent interview, Bernie Sanders defends the nation-state (in a relative sense) and stands athwart open-borders:

Bernie Sanders:

Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal.

Of course. That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.

It would make everybody in America poorer —you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.

This is yet further proof that the libertarians and finance-types are a major enemy of conservatives at this time. The conservative-libertarian alliance applies only to foreign policy, the NSA, gun rights, Department of Education, states rights, and similar specific areas. Conservatives also share common interests with the “socialist left” in other specific areas.

Certainly the state and “socialism” are a threat, but reducing immigration is also important. Mass immigration cannot be supported if companies are required to pay workers well.

Republicans who denounce “socialism” tend to support mega “defence” spending and America-last trade while standing weak on immigration. And it has been unions, with all their negatives, that have at least stood for America-first trade.

If we had opposed libertarians back in the 60s, or even the 90s, perhaps we wouldn’t have “lost” America. Paying workers reasonable wages is better than mass immigration.

The coming increased socialism in America is a terrible evil, but it’s an inevitable correction to the wealth imbalance. The sooner the US corrects, the less the damage (immigration) will be.

It is noteworthy that Obama also ran on improving the middle class (including America-first trade), only to exacerbate the wealth gap with immigration, America-last trade, and QE. A wealth imbalance bolsters DC’s power, increases the demand for big government solutions. So, it is advantageous to DC to grab more power in the name of reducing the wealth gap while acting oppositely, blaming Wall Street (or another fall guy), and ever seizing more power to “fix” things.

I don’t necessarily believe in Bernie Sanders, but we’ve seen repeatedly how “centrists” serve Wall Street interests – and on foreign policy, Likud interests. It seems a better gamble to go with the “socialist left” than with centrists of either party. If Trump, Webb, or Santorum can’t win, then Sanders might be the next-best alternative for conservatives.

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3 thoughts on “Bernie Sanders Opposes Open Borders!

    1. weavercht Post author

      I’m not on Twitter. I do debate online, but it doesn’t have much impact.

      Targeted debate could have an impact, sure.

      I don’t always have enough arguments to win my debates. To say something outside massthink requires a detailed reply, no mistakes, no haziness. I’m often hazy on things I read years ago.

      Only those already inclined, intelligent, and in the right mood etc. are going to follow a line of thinking if an important question is raised.

      Most just continue marching on with their absurd ideas. They demand a perfect reply to knock them out of it. And again, they have to be in the right state of mind to receive it.

      I was debating Democrats some time ago, arguing how immigration lowers wages. They were extremely hostile, declaring I must be a “racist”. Now that “socialist” Bernie Sanders has said the same thing, and this isn’t new for the “left” to oppose immigration, I expect Democrats are more receptive to the idea.

      So, I think one has more impact if he can figure how to do things other than debate, unless he has all his arguments down, no wrinkles.

      To defeat a libertarian or secular humanist socialists, you need a lot of arguments.

      I did get through to one secular humanist on the need for faith, but he finally rejected it saying morality is relative. He couldn’t comprehend how society needs to agree on morality. And he seemed to believe our genetics make us “good”, which is absurd. His declaration was any who are not “good” then must be genetically psychotic.

      People are shaped by the media that’s around them. It’s not such an easy thing to break into that. As a start we need to first provide an alternative for activists, a home core.

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  1. weavercht Post author

    Ah, anyway, I’ll look into supporting Trump somehow.

    I had wanted to put up a site (American Workers Party) calling for reducing immigration, protectionist trade, anti-war, to push Hillary that way; but now we have Bernie Sanders doing it for me. I was going to have 3 levels of actions that would encourage the middle class, with big government solutions as the third and least wanted category. In other words, the ideal is not socialism but for people to have good jobs and be free from government. Put another way: the distributist ideal.

    So, politically there’s not much opportunity there for what I’d considered.

    My goal then is just to develop a site with my own ideas and, once developed enough, with some visual content, to attack the right-wing web, linking to the site. I could post on Twitter too I suppose.

    I always appear so rough in debate, and to really win others over there needs to be the appearance of having every answer. That’s what the masses follow. They want some sparkling ideal, not a person like me who just wants to point out things to encourage others’ thought. So, if I develop a good site and good set of arguments, I’ll have a dramatically higher impact.

    I’m a firm believer that the kinist/distributist/third position/identitarian (all nearly identical) etc. arguments are a magnitude better than others’. I don’t acknowledge others as being in the same league. There’s just a lack of material developed, with some disagreement. The Catholics for example are quite weak on race, and that’s intolerable. They use a variety of false arguments against race that I can counter. Even Belloc uses some of them, or I caught him using one.

    Another idea would be to develop a site mapping world heritage, including European heritage, as a means of encouraging preservation of not only natural ecosystems but national integrity. It could be revolutionary to declare whites are equal to others in their right to ethnic preservation.

    Or another idea would be to develop websites to encourage classical thinkers, as a means of countering the enlightenment disease. Anyway, there’s a lot that could be done. I want to do something in these areas, so far as the internet is concerned.

    So far as continuing the paleo tradition, I revere certain paleos. I will never stop referring to Sam Francis, Richard Weaver, James Burnham. So, I intend for them to be remembered, and I’m not aged. I like Dr. Fleming and others, but I don’t understand his position on race. So, while I use arguments learned from him, I assume he doesn’t want racial-oriented sorts praising him.

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