In Response to Savrola: Why Challenging PC Orthodoxy is Essential

Our old critic Savrola is back. His reply, which I reproduce in part below, was directed at waltercht, but I’ll give my answer.

More whining from you, I see.

What is your program to deal with the blacks? Oh, no program you say? Just more whining? You’re going to whine about blacks until you’re laid to rest aren’t you?,,,

…What laws do you want to pass or remove based on that fact, you senile cretin?

The question “What is your program to deal with the blacks?” answers itself. There can never be and will never be a “program” specifically to “deal with blacks,” because such a thing would be politically untenable, and if it is anything other than neutral policies likely immoral. (Neutral not with regard to impact, but by design. That they will not be neutral in impact is presumed.)

But before you can have a race neutral plan to deal with problems disproportionately caused by blacks, you have to change the conversation. Changing the conversation is step one, because no political action will follow until it is no longer considered a thought crime to address the situation without conforming entirely to the current group think.

First, and this is the most non-race neutral part, we need to be honest about the National Question. We need to be honest that America is specifically a former British colonial country and not a universal proposition nation. Therefore, efforts to subvert our specific status through mass immigration should cease. Legal immigration should be halted except for very rare cases like spouses that Americans married abroad. Current visa should be allowed to expire and people expected to return to their country of origin when they do. Illegal immigration should be dealt with. We should get rid of birthright citizenship which was not the intent of the 14th Amendment anyway.

Regarding blacks specifically, this is where I think some White Nationalist go astray. The vast majority of blacks who are here in the US today are here because we brought their ancestors here against their will. There are some recent immigrant Africans and Haitians, for example, but they are the vast minority, and Nigerian immigrants, for example, tend to do pretty well for themselves. Haitians not as much. So if we have a black problem in this country it is because we created it. With that admission on our part, it would be nice to hear American blacks in return admit that they are glad they are here and would much rather be here than in Africa where they would be had their ancestors not been brought here.

So because of our history, blacks are a part of the citizenry and there can and will be no legal “program” to deal with “blacks.” What there should be is a program to make the government race neutral and allow complete freedom of association at the private level. We also need to get rid of the welfare state which incentivizes poor lifestyle choices and get rid of the excesses of democracy which authorizes the welfare state.

At the government level, there should be no raced based spoils system. No affirmative action. No racial set asides. No lower test scores allowed for minorities to get into public colleges or pass the Sgt’s exam for example. Etc. Everyone should be allowed to sink or swim on their own merit. High performing blacks have firmly ensconced themselves in the American middle class, but a lot of that is based on civil service employment and other governmental employment.

On the public side, laws against discrimination should be abolished. Discriminating in favor of someone or against someone is a common occurrence in everyday life, is a manifestation of human nature, and is often a very reasonable thing to do and not malicious. Is the fact that most of the workers at a Mexican restaurant are Mexican, even when they are not family of the owner, a coincidence? Laws against discrimination target not discrimination in general, which is ubiquitous and neither possible nor desirable to stamp out, but politically targeted discrimination. This leads to a presumption of guilt, so to speak, when someone from the majority group interacts with someone from a designated minority group. For example, the expectation that x % of your workforce should be black if blacks make up x% of the local population. Opponents of Civil Rights laws said this would happen when they were passes, and supporters of Civil Rights laws assured them it wouldn’t. They lied.

Welfare programs that make it possible for people to not work for long periods of time, such as food stamps and disability, should be phased out. Not working should not be an option. Until they are phased out, they should be work based. All but the most physically and mentally disabled should have to show up and do some sort of work to get a welfare benefit.

I don’t believe in public education, but if we have public schools kids should be tested at a certain age to determine their mental capabilities and placed in tracks accordingly, instead of all kids placed in a one-size-fits-all college prep track. This is done extensively in European and Asian countries already. Kids should be able to move up or own tracks depending on performance. There should be a college prep diploma and various tech diplomas that prepare grads for actual careers.

The fact is that blacks did much better on measures like out-of-wedlock births and employment, before civil rights laws. This is partially a reflection of the greater public morality at the time that stigmatized out of wedlock birth and emphasized a strong work ethic. We need to reinvigorate this public morality instead of tear it down. And it is partially a result of governmental policies that have diminished the consequences of poor lifestyle choices.

Apart from political action, whites need to build their own communities, hopefully church based, so they can better weather the storm assuming the above measures don’t happen and our society continues on its current course.

So, how is any of this going to happen if we don’t change the cultural atmosphere and make it OK to speak honestly about racial issues. Changing the conversation comes first, except for my last paragraph above which can proceed on its own. Even though I took a shot at White Nationalists and called for explicitly race neutral policies, my proposals would elicit howls of indignation from the keepers of PC Orthodoxy.

Personally, I think being forced to publicly discuss racial differences is rude. Talking about who is superior at this and who is inferior at that is unseemly, in the same way that the old rich used to be taught not to flaunt their wealth or point out someone else’s lack of it. Differences in ability or wealth just were. But the conversation is being forced because the PC side insists upon an ideologically based equality that is contrary to reality. The conversation will become more civil when the PC side stops insisting that what is not true is true.

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41 thoughts on “In Response to Savrola: Why Challenging PC Orthodoxy is Essential

  1. jaeger

    “The question “What is your program to deal with the blacks?” answers itself. There can never be and will never be a “program” specifically to “deal with blacks,” because such a thing would be politically untenable, and if it is anything other than neutral policies likely immoral. ”

    In other words you don’t actually believe inegalitarianism or politics. You’re just just larping conservatism.

    “First, and this is the most non-race neutral part, we need to be honest about the National Question. We need to be honest that America is specifically a former British colonial country and not a universal proposition nation.”

    What American was and what it is, are two very different things. What you are saying is just as ridiculous is a Saxon churl after the Norman-conquest declaring that “Angeland has always been Anglo-Saxon.”

    “Therefore, efforts to subvert our specific status through mass immigration should cease.”

    It’s too late. European emmigration, specifically the Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans, destroyed the original Anglo-Germananic pioneer stock who once ruled this country.

    So illegal emmigration is now a moot issue. The country no longer belongs to the original Nordic Whites or to the lesser-weaker Mediteranean Whites who came in their footsteps.

    So stopping emmigration is a waste of time. Politically speaking you have to be thinking about large-scale deportation, if you want to preserve even the faint vestiges of the original ideas bound up in the good old 13 colonies.

    So, your feeble bleating of

    “We must end emigration and have new anti-emigration policies, (keeping the door open for my Asian bride, of course) is asinine.

    You don’t have a program. It’s just the mainstream, Republican Party, (reduce taxes, end welfare, close the borders” schtick and it’s empty rhetoric. dumb, Filmer, really dumb.

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  2. weavercht

    Filmer,

    that is an excellent post.

    I wish it were possible to get you on James Edwards’s show. I get that such might leave you vulnerable to an attack by the SPLC, but you’ve got a good radio voice imo.

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    1. Savrola

      Oh no…not the SPLC….God Forbid…

      You should write a book like Goldwater’s The Conscience of a Conservative…call it the Cowardice of a Conservative. Get one of the other writers here to ghost it for you.

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  3. Joel P.

    I guess I haven’t been around long enough to know who “Savrola” is. Who is he? Is he a troll or someone of significance I haven’t heard of? Why should I care? He comes off as unreasonable and needlessly divisive and insulting. What has he ever done to advance the cause? Or is he just another hypocritical do-nothing whiner whining about the supposed do-nothingness of others? Why should we care what he thinks?

    Regardless, I agree with a lot of what Filmer has laid out here. This is an important topic to discuss.

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    1. weavercht

      He thinks he helps by complaining, but he complains about everything, including what’s useful.

      Years ago a poster named Captain Chaos attacked TakiMag, or was it TAC?, and won a lot of support. CC was a bit extreme, wanted to “reconquer” the US and praised WWII Germany; but he was intelligent and made a few crushing points. I think Savrola sees himself as following CC’s path, which is ironic since CC was also posting comments here for a time and came to like us somewhat. CC was intelligent. We’re not really obsessed with WWII Germany here though. Just as the South can turn people off, we were put off a bit by his WWII talk. It’s just not our central focus here.

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      1. Savrola

        I was in the melee with Captain Chaos, the goal we sought were accomplish in that free for all….his points are well taken, but the fundamental factor that is lacking is quality individuals.

        As Codreanu said, we need men, not programs. Plans are a dime a dozen…we need men, what we have are spergs like yourself and senior citizens.
        Deep down in your heart, you like the way things are right now and you don’t want to lift your smallest finger to take concerted action for any reason.

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      2. weavercht

        Savrola,

        the difference between CC and yourself is he understood what he was saying and aimed at more than being a troll.

        CC said he found value in some of my comments. I corresponded with him in email and at majorityrights. I don’t know about yourself, but most people have to work. They do what they can with the time they have. It wouldn’t surprise me if I were younger than you.

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      3. Savrola

        you can make any excuses you like Weaver. We both know you’re worthless to your own cause and you always will be.

        What CC did and said was years ago, when this fact wasn’t so blatantly obvious.

        So all you’re really good for is troll-bait.

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      4. weavercht

        Savrola,

        CC didn’t accomplish much at Taki’s; but he was intelligent, and I’m sure he will accomplish much in life. CC was capable of submitting an article that would have been published there, so he could have done more than attack from the comments. Anyway, CC was interested in what I had to say, so I don’t see how you can praise him while pretending I’m somehow different. I’ve been posting online since around 2000, and my positions haven’t changed in that time. When I first posted here, I was concerned my views would be too extreme.

        The only reason you’re angry at me is years ago I mocked your scheme to conspire with Muslims in the US. Ever since then you’ve been on some personal vendetta.

        CC was fun to interact with. Once we suggested here that he go undercover to get proof that Grahamnesty is gay, to take a hit for the team. He found that hilarious. And he agreed with me that politically we’re “pro-life” in the wider sense of the term. His focus was partly on preserving the biodiversity of the world, which is also mine. And I want to say CC admitted secession makes sense, rather than “reconquest”. I’ve had plenty online give me praise. I’ve never had time to do much online, so I don’t really care what you think. In the past I posted fairly detailed ideas, which CC had liked; and you just responded something like: “Rahh, erryone’s a spoof.” You think highly of CC; but he didn’t behave like you, and he didn’t think like you.

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      5. Savrola

        “CC didn’t accomplish much at Taki’s; but he was intelligent, and I’m sure he will accomplish much in life.”

        CC was merely the spearpoint of Alex Linder’s VNN campaign to move on takimag. Linder thought the time was right, but he was wrong.

        We joined in because we felt Takimag was becoming neo-connized, because writers like Christopher Roach were advocating war in their articles.

        Roach no longer writes for takimag. My objective was accomplished. CC’s objectives were accomplished in that he realized the futility of reaching out to conservatives.

        “The only reason you’re angry at me is years ago I mocked your scheme to conspire with Muslims in the US. Ever since then you’ve been on some personal vendetta.”

        I don’t even remember that. I’ve never liked you and have decided to be more open about expressing myself. You have a mild form aspergers syndrome.

        Being the retard that you are, you will wait to attempt an alliance with conservative Muslim and third world groups. You will wait until they outnumber you ten to one and will laugh at you because you are coming to them from a position of supreme weakness.
        But then, of course, weaver, you’re most comfortable in a position of supreme weakness.

        “And I want to say CC admitted secession makes sense, rather than “reconquest””

        I don’t recall that, I do understand that from your perspective, you prefer to run away than win and conquer.

        You live in the past. Your strategy and tactical ideas are archaic….basically you have a Young Republican club member’s world view.
        What CC thought of you years ago and what he would think of you today, are two very different things.

        I’m not going to address your thoughts that I first read in the 1990s or debated on FR in the 00s. This is 2015. Your ideas are lousy and old fashioned, not to mention blatantly stolen and poorly-informed. The best thing you can do is to stop writing immediately.

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      6. weavercht

        When CC was here, I believe he admitted secession was better than the foolish reconquest. Even Dr. MacDonald has posted in support of secession (at the A3P site). Oh, but he’s too mainstream for you as well.

        I’ve never been part of the Young Republicans or any sort of group like that. I’ve always posted at far right websites.

        Didn’t Linder have that disease? Has VNN produced results? Oh right, nice work with Craig Cobb. Why is it VNN posters always propose violent solutions that would get one arrested? Why is it they always behave as if they’re from the ghetto or NYC?

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      7. weavercht

        I wasn’t around in the 90s, and I’ve never posted at FR or any site like that.

        I’ve always been far right, and I was top in my class. The other posters here might well be smarter than I, they’re all blindingly brilliant and erudite; but you have me confused with someone else.

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      8. Savrola

        “When CC was here, I believe he admitted secession was better than the foolish reconquest. Even Dr. MacDonald has posted in support of secession (at the A3P site). Oh, but he’s too mainstream for you as well.”

        MacDonald is an academic who remade Revilo P. Oliver’s point with some added research. He brings very little to the table.

        “I’ve never been part of the Young Republicans or any sort of group like that. I’ve always posted at far right websites.”

        I know that, but you have the mindset. It’s quite common among young, white males.

        “Didn’t Linder have that disease? Has VNN produced results? Oh right, nice work with Craig Cobb. Why is it VNN posters always propose violent solutions that would get one arrested? Why is it they always behave as if they’re from the ghetto or NYC?”

        Linder is a retard and I’m not a WN. I just explained to you how the brawl on Takimag with CC started. You missed the point, as always

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      9. Savrola

        “I wasn’t around in the 90s, and I’ve never posted at FR or any site like that.”

        I suspect you’re a code-monkey and I’m not sure what gives you the impression that anyone is interested in your regurgitated opinions.

        “I’ve always been far right, and I was top in my class. The other posters here might well be smarter than I, they’re all blindingly brilliant and erudite; but you have me confused with someone else.”

        I have no doubt that you’re smart, but as you will find in this world, IQ counts for very little. Especially with spergs.

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      10. weavercht

        Savrola,

        you wrote: “We joined in because” This makes it sound like you were part of the VNN campaign… Yet again you talk trash with no basis.

        What are you if not a racialist? CC was of course a Nordicist. You always position yourself as if too good to say, well, anything.

        I hardly ever post here, so I don’t see how CC would judge me. My point is he held similar values and goals.

        You’ve never once written a coherent argument here, so I don’t know whom you believe yourself to be. You have no idea my views on what works and what doesn’t.

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      11. weavercht

        If you have some argument to make on politics or culture, make it. Otherwise, Filmer can babysit you.

        I’m not a coder. I do get eye strain at the computer, but I tend to get concepts before others. And I’m good at thinking outside the box. My strengths are the reverse of what you’ve concluded, and I don’t see why it matters anyway.

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      12. Savrola

        “you wrote: “We joined in because” This makes it sound like you were part of the VNN campaign…”

        “We” as in individuals not aligned with VNN. hawthorn was there and doubtless remembers.

        “Yet again you talk trash with no basis.”

        You provide me with an endless basis.

        “What are you if not a racialist? CC was of course a Nordicist. You always position yourself as if too good to say, well, anything.”

        Yes, you are in fact unworthy of my time.

        “I hardly ever post here, so I don’t see how CC would judge me. My point is he held similar values and goals.”

        Trust me, if he came back, he would.

        “You’ve never once written a coherent argument here,”

        That’s a patent falsehood. I wrote a serious guest-piece for this site, once.

        ” You have no idea my views on what works and what doesn’t.”

        I know exactly what your views are because you broadcast them constantly.

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      13. Savrola

        My point is very simple. You should close up shop and take up gardening or something. Stop posting about politics.

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      14. weavercht

        I’d love to talk with CC again. If he’s no longer interested in race, has he now become IQ obsessed or evolution obsessed? There are only so many options…

        Gardening is wonderful means of activism, if you have an open mind that is. Would Sun Zhu say one must stomp around blowing things up to have an impact?

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      15. weavercht

        If CC wants to debate me on his new found religion/ideology/views, I’d love to do that. I fully expect he’s smarter than I am, if that matters. But I might could convert him regardless. I am truly good at concepts. I tend to be able to influence those who debate me, assuming the debate doesn’t enter territory I haven’t learned.

        As for what works, I’ve never thought anything I posted here would have an impact. Posting here is not my idea of activism.

        I don’t care anything for this bickering though. Your goal is to glorify yourself. I’m not trying to pound my chest to attract females here, so who cares about personal glory? I’m interested in converting you if you’ll risk it but not in this bickering.

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      16. Savrola

        “I’d love to talk with CC again. ”

        You’d love to talk to anyone, just so it means a continued avoidance of work or practical action.

        “Gardening is wonderful means of activism, if you have an open mind that is. Would Sun Zhu say one must stomp around blowing things up to have an impact?”

        I’m glad you agree. go water your roses and leave the writing and speaking to others.

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      17. Savrola

        “If CC wants to debate me on his new found religion/ideology/views, I’d love to do that. I fully expect he’s smarter than I am, if that matters. But I might could convert him regardless. I am truly good at concepts. I tend to be able to influence those who debate me, assuming the debate doesn’t enter territory I haven’t learned.”

        As I said, you love to debate because it means avoiding ever having to do anything.

        “Your goal is to glorify yourself. ”

        False

        “I’m not trying to pound my chest to attract females here,”

        There are no females around, so what is your point.

        “I’m interested in converting you if you’ll risk it but not in this bickering.”

        Converting me to what? What am I supposed to do when converted? You admit to having no coherent program, yet you want to convert me to it? That’s the most asinine thing you’ve said yet.

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      18. weavercht

        Converting an activist to a set of values is worthwhile.

        I never said CC liked my “program”. I meant we shared similar goals, views. He liked a few of my ideas too, and I don’t mean to portray that as if he never said anything interested. He did.

        My program is that activists should each fill the roles they’re good at, exploit the opportunities they personally see. If enough become active, there will be a symbiosis. Most who are out trying to “do something” don’t seem to show much better results than anyone else. Too many activists end up poor and without children. I’ve never said my posts here have accomplished anything positive… If anything I’m grateful they put up with me here.

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    2. Savrola

      I don’t have to present my credentials to the likes of you. If you post here, chances are that your idea of hardcore activism is waving signs around once a year.

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      1. Joel P.

        I wasn’t asking you to. I’ve seen enough of you already to determine you’re not worth the effort. As for my idea of “hardcore activism,” well, you haven’t got a clue. But keep swinging, slugger.

        You have a high opinion of yourself though, I’ll give you that. I’m sure you’re a brave revolutionary in your own mind.

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  4. Savrola

    “The question “What is your program to deal with the blacks?” answers itself. There can never be and will never be a “program” specifically to “deal with blacks,” because such a thing would be politically untenable, and if it is anything other than neutral policies likely immoral. ”

    In other words you don’t actually believe inegalitarianism or politics. You’re just just larping conservatism.

    “First, and this is the most non-race neutral part, we need to be honest about the National Question. We need to be honest that America is specifically a former British colonial country and not a universal proposition nation.”

    What American was and what it is, are two very different things. What you are saying is just as ridiculous is a Saxon churl after the Norman-conquest declaring that “Angeland has always been Anglo-Saxon.”

    “Therefore, efforts to subvert our specific status through mass immigration should cease.”

    It’s too late. European emmigration, specifically the Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans, destroyed the original Anglo-Germananic pioneer stock who once ruled this country.

    So illegal emmigration is now a moot issue. The country no longer belongs to the original Nordic Whites or to the lesser-weaker Mediteranean Whites who came in their footsteps.

    So stopping emmigration is a waste of time. Politically speaking you have to be thinking about large-scale deportation, if you want to preserve even the faint vestiges of the original ideas bound up in the good old 13 colonies.

    So, your feeble bleating of

    “We must end emigration and have new anti-emigration policies, (keeping the door open for my Asian bride, of course) is asinine.

    You don’t have a program. It’s just the mainstream, Republican Party, (reduce taxes, end welfare, close the borders” schtick and it’s empty rhetoric. dumb, Filmer, really dumb.

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  5. Savrola

    Everything you listed was a talking point for conservatives in 1985, 1995 and 2005. Do you really think it’s going to be relevant in 2015?

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  6. roho

    Children and Politics are sooooooo funny in 2015…….Reality is real……And the Old Men of the 20th Century remember the truth?………………Punks no NOTHING of the past but what Propoganda that they read?………They should suck their Momma’s teets and ask what happened?

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  7. hawthornecht

    Oh, that Battle of the Five Armies on Takimag, 07-08.

    “All but the most physically and mentally disabled should have to show up and do some sort of work to get a welfare benefit.”

    I assume that includes those on Social Security? Or no? Basically, this is the agreed upon feminist bankster rhetoric (e.g. make abortion safe and rare–give ’em a pill!) that all must serve the system of sending money to women and racial imported aliens, alienating native men ever more from the ranks of “conservatives”, “libertarians” or simple Republicans.

    It’s tired and done and needs much revamping.

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    1. weavercht

      I’ve tended to take the same position as Filmer.

      I don’t think society would accept doing away with social security, etc., would it? And welfare/other benefits can provide a motive for a populace to reject newcomers (ie. immigrants).

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  8. Savrola

    In other local news, an absentee father and perpetual criminal shot to death the younger mother of his child and severelly wounded her grandfather at their farm. he then took posession of the child and was caught in Arkansas….

    Just down the road a piece from me…

    http://5newsonline.com/2015/01/05/springdale-man-sought-in-missouri-killing-and-kidnapping/

    So, when we deal with politics, we are dealing with order, we are dealing with society, and we are dealing with culture.
    And we are taking it up ourselves to see that the next generation’s path…this little infant, from a broken home, a little more shattered now, that they will grow up without that that trauma and hurt and fear in a world cruelty and political mayhem.

    We are either talking of better things or bloviating. And for the most part, CHT falls under the category of bloviating.

    As a generation is destroyed in the cradle, today.

    All I’m suggest is, don’t assume the burden, because you can’t deal with the responsibility it brings. Drop the burden and work in your garden.

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  9. Savrola

    Oh I forget to mention that this perpetual criminal was on disability….

    Ah Washburn has changed since 2008 when I flyered the town for Ron Paul. I could see that in 2012, when I again flyered the town for Ron Paul.

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  10. Filmer

    Gee, look what I have started.

    Savrola, the first link in Walter’s was to a VDARE article. The second link was to a CofCC article. Both were linked from an article here. So yes, that is preaching to the choir, although the choir needs resources and to be emboldened.

    The people who need to hear this are the people commenting at Salon, Slate, the NYT, etc. who are the PC dogmatics and need their dogma challenged, and the people commenting at mainstream news sites who are less dogmatic but generally do not challenge PC conventional wisdom. We know a website that specializes in dispatching the troops to comment at mainstream websites to some effect, but we need more than memes and mantras. Those will only get you so far and quickly look astroturfed. We need articulate and reasonable challenges to PC.

    So consider links posted here as a challenge to go comment at the site. Sometimes this is said explicitly.

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  11. Filmer

    Hawthorne, I don’t support Social Security which is bankrupt anyway, but most people don’t consider SS welfare. What I had in mind is primarily food stamps.

    I understand your point about making single moms work and considered it when I first wrote the post. The problem is really not solvable. What we need is for people to get married before they have kids. And when mistakes are made, we need to bring back the shotgun wedding. The practice of a guy fathering multiple out of wedlock kids with multiple women is not compatible with a civilized and ordered society, and society needs to reinstate the stigma against it. I considered saying something about forcing dads to pay child support, and we have something like that in place now when child support is filed for. But throwing guys in jail for non-payment is counter productive especially if they legitimately can’t find a job, and it’s not really productive either when they are just sorry or drug addicted or mentally ill. The point is to not make welfare easy and associated with no work. The point is to make welfare hard so that finding a job is a better option. I’ll take all the suggestions I can get.

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  12. hawthornecht

    Filmer;

    “Forcing Dads to pay Child Support”–we already do! It’s called taxation. If you have a child in this country, they are guaranteed a ~$10,000 per year education from K-12!

    How about if you have a child out of wedlock, you have to go before a judge to get bennies–sterilization or no bennies? Why is this always a story about men and “work”? That’s my point. You cannot have a welfare state that, in the words of LBJ, “pays people to breed.” That is where our problem is. The cradle is our interest.

    Its neither here nor there on Soc Sec. I say, monetize the debt and send everyone a check for exactly what they are owed, or maybe 1% bonds with a payment schedule to encourage holding onto them at least for a little while.

    My point with SS is that the real issue is that old white people love to wave the flag and tell themselves how good the world is, as they tax their children and grandchildren to pay for their consumption–and when they get on their kids for not earning enough–please… Old vs Young is as much a factor as race. The Boomers are an alien race–they still have defined pensions, and Soc Sec, and healthcare–its crazy compared to the miserable end of life decisions most of our generation will experience.

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    1. weavercht

      If Old vs. Young is a divide, the goal should be on uniting the two according to what’s popular. It would be a nightmare to split the two.

      The Boomers will see their benefits cut as the demographics change and the economy collapses. Latinos and blacks will not vote to continue supporting old white people, and hyperinflation will hit the US at some point. The US will have an economic reset, which does happen historically.

      It’s investors and property owners we never hear the case against, for creating this economic collapse. They wish to see the GDP and their assets expand in the short-term and can relocate when the society collapses. We were never told how it’s the wealthy who are leaching, partly exacerbated by the cosmopolitan nature of the US (they don’t view the US as “home”). Boomers of course have investments, but I don’t think it’s healthy to split the young and old. The case we always hear is immigration for FICA.

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  13. hawthornecht

    “The practice of a guy fathering multiple out of wedlock kids with multiple women is not compatible with a civilized and ordered society, and society needs to reinstate the stigma against it.”

    Just to provide a tangent comment I alluded to, an actual program to deal with men and women who cannot support themselves is sterilization. As far as I am concerned, it takes a few dollars to live a month, on your own–its cheap, I remember–I am sure many of you do–living that way. Europe did hostels, the YMCA seemed to function–cheap living, not for ever, but for a little while. Women, because they get themselves prego to get some bennies, are ridiculously more expensive to manage, but the topic ‘conservatives’ — to the extent my friend Sav. and I use the term the same way– want to deal with is always men.

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    1. Christopher

      A few thoughts after reading a 2010 article from the National Journal magazine, “The Gray And The Brown: The Generational Mismatch A contrast in priorities is arising between nonwhite young voters and white, older voters.” http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/the-gray-and-the-brown-the-generational-mismatch-20100724

      The social and racial implications of America’s changing demographics is far-reaching. The federal government and many states are facing budget shortfalls as increasing demand for services have been restricted due to decreasing tax revenues.

      As white workers continue to shoulder the weight of the tax burden, Latino and African-American leaders are pressing for increased spending and investment for their communities, schools and youth.

      The ACLU, liberal sociologists and think tanks have opined that increased racial polarization and friction will arise from the need to put the political interests of young racial minorities ahead of older and retired whites.

      Nonetheless, the left is in agreement that tax monies directed to racial minorities must be moved to the front burner.

      Demands that older and working class whites pay more in taxes so the Obama administration’s social engineers can redistribute money into communities that are increasingly populated with illegal aliens is unjustified.

      White elected public officials need to be responsible stewards of the people’s taxes.

      Eliminate wasteful spending and fraud at the local, state and federal level. Further decrease the financial burden imposed on America’s social services and schools by securing America’s border and deporting all illegal aliens. Suspend foreign aid while the government continues to operate in deficit spending.

      This will bring temporary relief to the not so rosy multiracial scenario that the left is increasingly troubled by.

      America’s social contract agreement with its senior citizens and working class must take precedence over maintaining a domestic racial spoils system.

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