Roger Stone is on the (Clinton) Case

Oh yeah! From a recent Roger Stone Facebook post:

Bill Clinton has no degree from Oxford. The Rhode Scholar Rapist was tossed out of Oxford for raping 19 year old Emily Wellstone, beginning a pattern that will make Bill Cosby look like a boy scout- COMING SOON in my next book “The Clinton’s War on Women’ – Skyhorse 2015

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13 thoughts on “Roger Stone is on the (Clinton) Case

  1. hawthornecht

    Does it sound like ‘our guy’ or not, Brandon? She changed her name, didn’t she?

    Clinton was on the CIA payroll at the time–as Roger Morris, a liberal Harvard Professor, reported.

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    1. brandon adamson

      I haven’t seen any evidence that she changed her name, only that he got it wrong in the FB post. Most of these cases are pretty easily debunked with just a bit of searching. These Clinton conspiracy blogs leave out inconvenient facts and what they do include they examine uncritically. There is no real evidence to back up any of them. Most are just examples of Clinton being a sleazy guy, which everyone already knows and and a plurality of people have come to accept.

      It doesn’t matter if it “sounds like” something Clinton would do. There has to be physical or verifiable evidence. A known sleazy guy grabbing a girl’s boob or thigh, or whipping it out when he’s drunk isn’t enough to scandalize anyone. In Anthony Weiner’s case there were actual photos and proof of what he was doing.

      Again, see this thread to see how this stuff can’t even withstand the most basic scrutiny:
      http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252579

      I say this not as someone who thinks Clinton did or did not commit these acts, but just to point out that if this is the best you’ve got, it’s going absolutely nowhere outside of kookville.

      It’s going to gain about as much traction as the Edgar Mitchell UFO claims…if that.

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  2. hawthornecht

    Gain as much traction? Clinton was at best indifferent, otherwise complicit, in the Executive Action murder of the Waco inhabitants–nobody cared, no traction. He lobbed expensive missiles at an African aspirin factory–killing people–to keep Monica off the headlines–nobody cared, no traction.

    Was Bill Clinton tossed out of Oxford for an assault? Well, that might not be true and hard to prove, but what about just tossed out, and what for? We still don’t really know that much about Clinton’s, an employee of the CIA, trip to the Soviet Union during the time period. The question is, who are these people? Are they capable of the allegation?

    I guess I am not sure on your point.

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    1. brandon adamson

      My point is that allegations require proof. There is no proof. There is no evidence that he was tossed out of oxford. The only references to it are on some of the most whacked out blogs on the internet. Most people didn’t view the Waco incident as murder. They viewed is as a ill advised siege against some criminally delusional kooks that went horribly wrong. Clinton being “complicit” in Waco “murders” didn’t gain traction, because that’s not the way people saw the event outside of far right anti-government conspiracy groups. As far as the aspirin factory incident, accidents happen in bombings all the time. We don’t even know if was an aspirin factory. Naturally a country we bomb is going to say we bombed some noble place as that’s part of the propaganda war. Naturally our military will say it was a military target, because either it was, or because it makes them look bad if it isn’t. It didn’t gain traction because there was no evidence that he bombed them to distract from the Lewinski story. We can say that it sure seems like he did based on the timing. In order for it to gain traction there would have to be some sort of tape of him saying “you know we should really start a military action to get this thing off the front page, or some sort of diversion” or someone high up in his administration confirm it.

      I sometimes wonder if paleoconservatives have any idea how things they take for granted as being “true” are perceived in the outside world.

      So no, Clinton is not immune from allegation, so long as there is concrete evidence to back it up. That should be obvious from the Lewinski scandal. He was unable to avoid it because there was irrefutable evidence that he was lying.

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  3. hawthornecht

    What evidence are you looking for? You just wrote a post where you hid behind common perception, media managed for Left and Right–designed for the evil “centrists.” And then you appealed to what the masses think of “Truth.” LOL

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  4. brandon adamson

    I’m not hiding behind anything. It is just logic and critical analysis. The evidence required to believe something is dependent on how serious the accusation is. Is the media more reluctant to publicize Clinton allegations than those of conservatives? I think that’s true, but the media and the masses are the people you have to convince if you want anything to come of these accusations. You need the kind of proof where the average person who thinks “those are just obsessed kooks on the far right trying to smear Clinton” will have to accept it. That’s what happened in the Lewinski case. I’m pretty far to the right, and I don’t see anything here that’s remotely persuasive. It’s all flimsy hearsay, and much of it is easily debunked with just some rudimentary google searching. If it can’t even convince a xenophobic right wing misogynist like me, then it certainly won’t convince someone who was planning to vote for Hillary Clinton and doesn’t even want to believe it. This stuff just isn’t ready for prime time.

    What kind of evidence? How about any kind? a videotape of clinton or an audiotape would be great. That’s what it took to bring down Nixon, and even then his campaign operatives were caught red-handed in a break in. How about some at least somewhat impartial witnesses without an ax to grind and who haven’t changed their story and who can be confirmed to actually exist? Roger Stone isn’t exactly a credible figure since he believes practically every conspiracy theory, and doesn’t refute facts which contradict his thesis.

    It’s unbelievable the things he included in his Kennedy book, which had been discredited ages ago. Yet he writes them as if they are facts.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/25/book-review-the-man-who-killed-kennedy/

    That’s all for now.

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  5. redphillips Post author

    Re. Oxford, I don’t recall hearing the rape allegation until recently. I knew, however, that he never graduated from Oxford, which is quite unusual. So the way I mentally proceed is to ask why he didn’t graduate. The rape allegation is plausible, but shouldn’t be accepted just because we don’t like the guy. But that there is more to the story of him not graduating than we have been told is definitely plausible. So first question to ask is why he didn’t graduate.

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    1. brandon adamson

      I agree, Red. That’s a good question, and I’d like to know if there’s more to it. According to wikipedia it’s just because he switched programs and went to Yale:

      “Upon graduation, he won a Rhodes Scholarship to University College, Oxford where he studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics, though because he had switched programs and had left early for Yale University, he did not receive a degree there.[6][14][15] ”

      If there was evidence he got thrown out that would be interesting. My personal feeling is that anything that old is simply unknowable or it would have came out by now. I doubt Stone is going to produce any official documents or anything that state he was thrown out. Most likely it will be third party hearsay or some ancient witness that’s sorta crazy(if his kennedy stuff is any indicator.)

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      1. weavercht

        “anything that old is simply unknowable”

        I wish more admitted this. We might never truly know the specifics of the Holocaust either. Truth doesn’t necessarily come out with time.

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  6. Robert Morrow

    Capitol Hill Blue article 1999:
    Juanita isn’t the only one: Bill Clinton’s long history of sexual violence against women dates back some 30 years
    (Editor’s Note: The following story is an update of previously-published information and contains some new material.)
    Web link for this critically important 1999 Capitol Hill Blue article:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20070516192906/http:/chblue.com/Feb1999/022599/clintonwomen022599.htm
    By Daniel J. Harris
    & Teresa Hampton
    Capitol Hill Blue
    Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago.
    A continuing investigation into the President’s questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton’s college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ”no.”
    Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC’s Lisa Myers five weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC shelved the interview, saying they were confirming all parts of the story, but finally aired it Wednesday night.
    Broaddrick finally took her story to The Wall Street Journal, which published her account of the brutal rape at the hands of the future President, followed by The Washington Post and some other publications.
    But Capitol Hill Blue has confirmed that Broaddrick’s story is only one account of many attempted and actual sexual assaults by Clinton that go back 30 years. Among the other incidents:
    • Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim’s family declined to pursue the case;
    • In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
    • In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ”came on” to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
    • Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
    • From 1978-1980, during Clinton’s first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was “who’s next?”. One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor’s hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
    • Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. “I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn’t even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room.”
    • Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
    • Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
    • Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation’s capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton’s hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
    • Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton’s leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant’s legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
    • Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
    In an interview with Capitol Hill Blue, the retired State Department employee said he believed the story Miss Wellstone, the young English woman who said Clinton raped her in 1969.
    ”There was no doubt in my mind that this young woman had suffered severe emotional trauma,” he said. ”But we were under tremendous pressure to avoid the embarrassment of having a Rhodes Scholar charged with rape. I filed a report with my superiors and that was the last I heard of it.”
    Miss Wellstone, who is now married and lives near London, confirmed the incident when contacted this week, but refused to discuss the matter further. She said she would not go public with further details of the attack. Afterwards, she changed her phone number and hired a barrister who warned a reporter to stay away from his client.
    In his book, Unlimited Access, former FBI agent Gary Aldrich reported that Clinton left Oxford University for a “European Tour” in 1969 and was told by University officials that he was no longer welcome there. Aldrich said Clinton’s academic record at Oxford was lackluster. Clinton later accepted a scholarship for Yale Law School and did not complete his studies at Oxford.
    The State Department official who investigated the incident said Clinton’s interests appeared to be drinking, drugs and sex, not studies.
    “I came away from the incident with the clear impression that this was a young man who was there to party, not study,” he said.
    Oxford officials refused comment. The State Department also refused to comment on the incident. A Freedom of Information request filed by Capitol Hill Blue failed to turn up any records of the incident.
    Capitol Hill Blue also spoke with the former Miss James, the Washington fundraiser who confirmed the encounter with Clinton at the Four Seasons Hotel in Washington, but first said she would not appear publicly because anyone who does so is destroyed by the Clinton White House.
    ”My husband and children deserve better than that,” she said when first contacted two weeks ago. After reading the Broaddrick story Friday, however, she called back and gave permission to use her maiden name, but said she had no intention of pursuing the matter.
    “I wasn’t raped, but I was trapped in a hotel room for a brief moment by a boorish man,” she said. “I got away. He tried calling me several times after that, but I didn’t take his phone calls. Then he stopped. I guess he moved on.”
    But Miss James also retreated from public view this week after other news organizations contacted her.
    The former Miss Moffet, the legal secretary who says Clinton tried to force her into oral sex in 1979, has since married and left the state. She says that when she told her boyfriend, who was a lawyer and supporter of Clinton, about the incident, he told her to keep her mouth shut.
    “He said that people who crossed the governor usually regretted it and that if I knew what was good for me I’d forget that it ever happened,” she said. “I haven’t forgotten it. You don’t forget crude men like that.”
    Like two other women, the former Miss Moffet declined further interviews. A neighbor said she had received threatening phone calls.
    The other encounters were confirmed with more than 30 interviews with retired Arkansas state employees, former state troopers and former Yale and University of Arkansas students. Like others, they refused to go public because of fears of retaliation from the Clinton White House.
    Likewise, the mainstream media has shied away from the Broaddrick story. Initially, only The Drudge Report and other Internet news sites have actively pursued it. Since initial publication of this story, a few mainstream media outlets have expressed interest in interviewing the women.
    The White House did not return calls for comment. White House attorney David Kendall has issued a public denial of the Broaddrick rape.

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